Fan talk:Tai & Sora

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A lot of the stuff on this page needs to be reconsidered in light of the fact that they were childhood friends, and that Sora is clearly shown to fall in love with Matt, and have Tai encourage her. Yes, there's a good deal of evidence that there might have been something there, but a lot of it is just going to be them being best friends.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 04:56, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

True, but childhood friendship is often a precursor to romance in fiction :) -- Ned Scott 05:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but especially in this case, its unreasonable to interpret stuff such "You're back, Tai!" as something with romantic overtones.

(Plus, childhood friends are also often in fiction the person you couldn't imagine being involved with.)Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 05:09, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree with the 'best-friends-falling-in-love' part, and even do it sometimes in my own fics. But I think that about the "You're back, Tai!" part we should leave there. I think that perhaps if she is the only one saying it, then it is valid... I think. Thoughts?

And what's with the Mr Lister's Koromon thing *scratches head* ? - Digi9346 05:23, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I guess it's fine to leave that there, but especially in this case, where it's reinforced in 02 that she doesn't really have romantic feelings for him, and he's okay with that, we need to keep in mind when we're misinterpreting simple friendship as romance. Sometimes, people are just polite.

It's a reference to a line from the Red Dwarf character Kryten:

• Rimmer: Look at it. All our possessions, all our valuables, completely destroyed. Between fire, flood, and impact, we've lost damn near everything.
• Kryten: Well, at least Mr. Lister's guitar survived intact.
• Cat: (breaks guitar over his knee)
• Kryten: Not even Mr. Lister's guitar survived intact!

I grew up on Red Dwarf and Digimon, so when I chose my first screenname I just put them together. I even have an image of Kryten holding a Koromon somewhere.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 06:06, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I think that even in Digimon Adventure, when they were just kids, you can see (although nobody wrote it here) that they care about each other, more than about anybody else. I wouldn't call that just childhood friendship, actually I would call it a childhood crush, that became something bigger. If you would ask, even a person who doesn't watch or like Digimon:"Aren't Taichi and Sora perfect for each other?", he would say yes, in 99% of the cases. Some little things (and not just little things) in the movies and in the serias (including Digimon Adventure Zero 2), prove that there is truely something. And that something, was ruined only by the Japanesse writers in the Digimon Adventure Zero 2, when they suddenly, out of nothing desided for Sorato (only because Matt was the most popular guy in the Digimon Adventure, and Sora was a more loveable girl then Mimi). Nobody even thought about those two, untill they were shown together in the anime. I think that the writers of the dubbed version did the best thing they could by throwing partly that out, because many, many fans still think that Taiora is the combination. And I think so to... And I don't think, that Taichi didn't care about the way things turned out, I think that he was hurt but what could he do? :/ I wish that the dubbed version (at least the dubbed), could change that story to the end, oh well...

Please remember to sign your posts! xP

Anyway, I actually think otherwise. No matter what the fan base is, Nimoy still should not be perverting and twisting the lines to satisfy his own desires for Taiora. Besides, although Sorato may not have been a popular couple, it still does not mean that it's bad for them to change it. They should take fan couplings with a grain of salt, but if it's their idea, let them have it.

Besides, do you have any *real* evidence that Sorato was unpopular in Japan? Of course it was booed in America where the dub twisted all the lines, but in Japan...

And I think you're exaggerating the "99%" line. I don't think they're perfect, per se, and to be honest, in real life, best friends don't always become couples. In fact, the best friend turns out to be the last person you want to date...

Read "blush..." maybe? Only dead fish go with the flow. 01:11, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

In any case, I think it's acceptable to put the Christmas scene in there, as long as it comes with a detailed analysis, does not cite any specific lines, and states that it is from the English dub, along with an analysis of the original Japanese scene. Only dead fish go with the flow. 01:19, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Personally, AS, I don't think you have to follow the format that was there if you don't want to. The kind of essays you had on your site would be much more informative, if integrated well, and would read less banal than the bits of trivia that most of the articles are now.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 01:41, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually I watched the Digimon Adventures, the original version and also the dubbed version. Unfortunently I only could find the dubbed version of the Zero 2, so I just watched a few original episodes, and I'm quite aware of everything, because although I haven't seen it, I've read about it. Maybe it is my love for the couple speaking, but I don't think they did something wrong?, because although those people make animes, we are the ones who will decide is it good or not, and how much population will it gain. I think they are just aware of that. I didn't know that only the Japanese oppinion mattered... And I'm not quite well informed about the situation there, that was just a statement I made as my personal oppionion, which doesn't have to be right, but I personaly see things like that, just like anybody else. Anyway... I didn't ever consider them "best friends", more like they are childhood love to each other, than friends, again... It's the seeing things my way.

This is just a personal gripe, but -- if you're going to "it's my opinion, it doesn't have to be right", then don't even start a discussion. As for "it's the fan's right to decide what happens" - well, you could maybe make that argument if you were paying to see the story, but otherwise, it's just silly sentimentality.

But anyway, that's just a personal gripe, I'm not saying your comment was wrong.Not even Mr. Lister's Koromon survived intact. 23:20, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

I thought that discussion are made of personal gripes and oppionions... My oppionion is connected in some matter with the truth, with the truth as I see it. And you're discusing me about that because you see the "truth" in your way. Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't discussion supposed to be about personal statements? It's not like "couplings" is a strictly theme, in which we must concentrate on the facts and only the facts, and do not pull anything out of them that "may not be the truth". :/ Anyway, about the viewer-maker relationship... That may be the way as you see it, but when they published something like that, that wasn't just published for them, it was also for the public, so, in some matter, I think, our oppionion should be considered. Not in a way that should change the whole story/seria, but still... It matters.

Once again, please sign your posts.

Yes, fan opinion matters but that does not mean the author should also listen to every single opinion given by fans! Is J.K. Rowling going to make Harry and Hermione smooch all over each other just because 50% of the fan population wants her to? It's the creators' dream, let them live it out! And if they wanted to share this dream with Americans, is it right for the American dubbers to twist it to their own ends? Even if that's what the American population wants?

Especially considering most of the Taiora dialogue/"romance" came from the English dub. The Christmas episode itself had no intended Taiora in it.

Once again, while fans should be considered, they should not completely twist the plot so that the creators' dream is ruined.

And besides, if the author did nothing but listen to the fans, then Haruhi and Kyon would get together and the world would end. And nothing would make sense (joking, joking, that's just my YukiKyon fangirlism again). Only dead fish go with the flow. 19:36, 14 August 2009 (UTC)